Is kissing a sin?

[thunderbirdbw]

Originally Posted by LauraNicole

I had the same guilt and worry over that. What my amazing boyfriend said on the subject: it may not be my first kiss, but it's the first meaningful kiss.

:D Awe!! That's super sweet and cute. :D I like that a LOT.

[CadillacCowboy]

Originally Posted by LauraNicole

I had the same guilt and worry over that. What my amazing boyfriend said on the subject: it may not be my first kiss, but it's the first meaningful kiss.

You could say the same thing about premarital sex. If it doesn't mean anything why kiss at all? The answer is pretty apparent and it does go against God's word. I've made the decision to not kiss before marriage and I wouldn't want a bride who had kissed a bunch of guys she thought were insignificant or meaningless.

[dreamergirl818]

The difference between those two is that the Bible never commands us not to kiss. I'm not saying that your convictions are wrong--they are your convictions. Not everyone has them though, and to equate kissing with premarital sex is making it sound as if it has been labeled by God as a sin, which it has not.

[CadillacCowboy]

Originally Posted by dreamergirl818

The difference between those two is that the Bible never commands us not to kiss. I'm not saying that your convictions are wrong--they are your convictions. Not everyone has them though, and to equate kissing with premarital sex is making it sound as if it has been labeled by God as a sin, which it has not.

Does the bible ever get more specific then the phrase "sexual immorality"? The only verse I am aware of that could be considered close to that claim is 1 Corinthians 7:1-5. Which verses specifically mention premarital sex as being labeled a sin by God?

[Zipster]

Originally Posted by CadillacCowboy

Does the bible ever get more specific then the phrase "sexual immorality"? The only verse I am aware of that could be considered close to that claim is 1 Corinthians 7:1-5. Which verses specifically mention premarital sex as being labeled a sin by God?

Truthfully, not even the above scripture explicitly talks about premarital sex, though it certainly can be inferred from the text. As it is, though, the Bible never really refers to things beyond the illusive term, "sexual immorality."

This term has been thrown around quite a lot over the years, so one must be careful with it's usage. During the medieval period, the Church had deemed sex to be something for procreation only, and was not something to indulge in, or really even enjoy. They deemed anything outside of their narrow view of sex as "sexual immorality."

The point is that one must seriously think about the term, and not simply go by what others have told you it means.

[Jemima]

To me kissing isnt a sin and I don't think it would be to God either.
If it happens to go further than a kiss , this is when it could enter into sin.
Remove yourself for situations were temptation could occur.
Remember , God is an understanding God and our creator.He created us to kiss and to love , but he also created rules and guidelines to go with it.

Originally Posted by dreamergirl818

The difference between those two is that the Bible never commands us not to kiss. I'm not saying that your convictions are wrong--they are your convictions. Not everyone has them though, and to equate kissing with premarital sex is making it sound as if it has been labeled by God as a sin, which it has not.

I totally agree with you. Kissing and premarital sex are completely different! Imagine having a conversation with God up in heaven. I don't believe that he would say kissing is sinful. Not at all.

[dreamergirl818]

Originally Posted by CadillacCowboy

Does the bible ever get more specific then the phrase "sexual immorality"? The only verse I am aware of that could be considered close to that claim is 1 Corinthians 7:1-5. Which verses specifically mention premarital sex as being labeled a sin by God?

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."

I think this is a close enough description of sexual immorality. Now, this passage particularly is talking about a situation where a girl is not willingly a part of action, but still, this chapter address other points of sexual immorality.

In truth, we don't need a specific definition of this. Everyone knows what this is. God wrote His law on our hearts. To say that we don't know what this means is ridiculous.

I have never heard of an instance where a couple had problems because one of them had kissed someone else before, and I have known MANY couples who did not save their first kiss. My mom's first kiss was not will my dad, and I know she never gave it a second thought. She didn't view it as anything special because it was not something that she shared with him. both of them were pure when they married, and their relationship certainly has not suffered because of that kiss!

If you are tempted to long for more when you kiss, then yes, you should stay away from it. Never play with temptation. That's the most dangerous game you can ever play. But don't condemn others who are able to kiss without falling into sin.

To God be all glory!
Elizabeth

[CadillacCowboy]

Originally Posted by dreamergirl818

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."

I think this is a close enough description of sexual immorality. Now, this passage particularly is talking about a situation where a girl is not willingly a part of action, but still, this chapter address other points of sexual immorality.

In truth, we don't need a specific definition of this. Everyone knows what this is. God wrote His law on our hearts. To say that we don't know what this means is ridiculous.

I have never heard of an instance where a couple had problems because one of them had kissed someone else before, and I have known MANY couples who did not save their first kiss. My mom's first kiss was not will my dad, and I know she never gave it a second thought. She didn't view it as anything special because it was not something that she shared with him. both of them were pure when they married, and their relationship certainly has not suffered because of that kiss!

If you are tempted to long for more when you kiss, then yes, you should stay away from it. Never play with temptation. That's the most dangerous game you can ever play. But don't condemn others who are able to kiss without falling into sin.

To God be all glory!
Elizabeth

It sounds like you are reading between the lines in order to find something that was never there. Who are you to say I'm condemning others by saying I have interpreted the scripture to mean something different than you? I personally have never attempted to please anyone since I know I have an audience of one in Jesus. Nothing else is as remotely important to me and I have no desire to examine the life of you or anyone else who engages in acts I consider promiscuous.

Your verse, in the context of its accompanying chapter, does not even come close to defining "sexual immorality" and just about every scholar would admit that it isn't ever defined. We accept certain traditional expectations but, it is foolish to assume that our standards may not be accurate or to the extent the creator has desired.

[dreamergirl818]

Originally Posted by CadillacCowboy

It sounds like you are reading between the lines in order to find something that was never there. Who are you to say I'm condemning others by saying I have interpreted the scripture to mean something different than you? I personally have never attempted to please anyone since I know I have an audience of one in Jesus. Nothing else is as remotely important to me and I have no desire to examine the life of you or anyone else who engages in acts I consider promiscuous.

Your verse, in the context of its accompanying chapter, does not even come close to defining "sexual immorality" and just about every scholar would admit that it isn't ever defined. We accept certain traditional expectations but, it is foolish to assume that our standards may not be accurate or to the extent the creator has desired.

I never said that you were condemning people for it; I merely posted that as a gentle reminder, because your post did seem a little on the condemning side. If that was not your intent, then I was in error, but that does not change what I said as being true: it is wrong to condemn others for having a different conviction.

True, the verse does not give a blow by blow description, but I think almost anyone could tell you that when it talks about a man lying with a woman, it isn't referring to just falling asleep. It's talking about sex, something that would warrant stoning. If you strongly feel that kissing will lead to this, then by all means, abstain from it. I have said this before, and I will continue to say it. I, on the other hand, have known my good Christians who kissed before marriage, and they did not fall into sin. Lumping kissing into the category as sexual immorality is not right, because it does not always lead to this. This may not be what you're doing, but my impression from your post is that this is how you view kissing. I have never known anyone who felt a huge burden of guilt because they kissed someone, but I know of many instances where someone felt terribly guilty from a sexual sin.

To God be all glory!
Elizabeth

[Damaris]

I decided of my own personal conviction not to kiss until marriage; see my post about it here.

However I also have some logic on the subject that I'd like to throw out there as food for thought.

As Zips noted earlier in the thread, the Bible never explicitly defines sexual immorality. But since it does specifically say we should avoid it, in fact, that there should be "not even a hint" of it among us, defining sexual immorality seems to be pretty important.

Here's what makes the most sense to me: limiting it to the physical and involving another person, sexual immorality is partaking in any action with another person you are not currently married to that you wouldn't do with your own brother or sister or mother.

I've tried that definition with a lot of hypothetical scenarios and it works pretty well. Even kissing isn't completely excluded - some cultures include a kiss on the cheek as a customary greeting, or even on the lips if you are close relatives or friends. Paul even urges several of the New Testament churches to "greet one another with a holy kiss"!

Wait, we aren't talking about that kind of kissing?

Why would it be wrong to kiss your sibling or your grandma in an involved manner? My answer would be that there is a sexual component to any romantic kissing. It's the kind of kissing that's clearly only appropriate as a joining between two people who are romantically involved. Under this reasoning, doing so outside of marriage would logically fall under sexual immorality, or at the very least a "hint" of it.

Thoughts?