Political Preaching

World Changer · 12-02-2005, 10:14 PM

I read a column in The Miami Herald about two weeks ago I think and it was about Pat Robertson saying that because that city in Pennsylvania, Dover, voted against teaching Intelligent Design that they shouldn't call on God if a disaster comes to the city because of this decision. Also, I remember a few months ago when Hugo Chavez(the president of Venezuela) said he thought the United States was trying to assassinate him and after they reported it on The 700 Club, Robertson said if he thinks we're going to assassinate him maybe we should. Can you believe that?! The next day it was all over the news and he lied and said he didn't say that we should assassinate him. He did say it; he didn't exactly say we should assassinate him. But he did say we should.

Pat Robertson seems like a religious zealot to me. He preaches politics. He is so transfixed on George Bush and all these matters of abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research that he seems to be forgetting what's really important: preaching the gospel and showing God's love toward this dying world. Now, I'm not saying that these matters are not important, but we should not become so focused on them that we forget what is really important.

Does anybody else notice his and others "political preaching?"

debator4ever · 12-03-2005, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by World Changer

I read a column in The Miami Herald about two weeks ago I think and it was about Pat Robertson saying that because that city in Pennsylvania, Dover, voted against teaching Intelligent Design that they shouldn't call on God if a disaster comes to the city because of this decision. Also, I remember a few months ago when Hugo Chavez(the president of Venezuela) said he thought the United States was trying to assassinate him and after they reported it on The 700 Club, Robertson said if he thinks we're going to assassinate him maybe we should. Can you believe that?! The next day it was all over the news and he lied and said he didn't say that we should assassinate him. He did say it; he didn't exactly say we should assassinate him. But he did say we should.

Pat Robertson seems like a religious zealot to me. He preaches politics. He is so transfixed on George Bush and all these matters of abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research that he seems to be forgetting what's really important: preaching the gospel and showing God's love toward this dying world. Now, I'm not saying that these matters are not important, but we should not become so focused on them that we forget what is really important.

Does anybody else notice his and others "political preaching?"

I think you're taking things far too seriously, and completely out of context dude...

World Changer · 12-03-2005, 10:30 AM

What do you mean? Can you elaborate some more?

christsgirly · 12-03-2005, 12:31 PM

I admit that I've never heard this before now and perhaps you are right that he needs to stick to the most important thing,but,all the same, I think the media(especially American media)is like waiting for things like this to happen so they can post it everywhere. I don't think we can judge this guy for something taken out of context.

debator4ever · 12-05-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by World Changer

What do you mean? Can you elaborate some more?

dude. He said if so and so is sayiing everyone is trying to assassinate him, maybe we should, that is dry sarcasm. like if a bunch of people are telling you to eat something, I sometimes joke by saying "man everyone says this, maybe I should!" its about context man, you have to read in between the lines. if he were serious, he'd be in serious trouble lol.
you have to watch for tones and context.

World Changer · 12-05-2005, 04:32 PM

Okay, I guess I was taking it a little too seriously, I guess it's cause I really don't like this guy.

debator4ever · 12-05-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by World Changer

Okay, I guess I was taking it a little too seriously, I guess it's cause I really don't like this guy.

I believe that would have a lot to do with it lol.

Raptor X · 12-07-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by World Changer

I read a column in The Miami Herald about two weeks ago I think and it was about Pat Robertson saying that because that city in Pennsylvania, Dover, voted against teaching Intelligent Design that they shouldn't call on God if a disaster comes to the city because of this decision. Also, I remember a few months ago when Hugo Chavez(the president of Venezuela) said he thought the United States was trying to assassinate him and after they reported it on The 700 Club, Robertson said if he thinks we're going to assassinate him maybe we should. Can you believe that?! The next day it was all over the news and he lied and said he didn't say that we should assassinate him. He did say it; he didn't exactly say we should assassinate him. But he did say we should.

Pat Robertson seems like a religious zealot to me. He preaches politics. He is so transfixed on George Bush and all these matters of abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research that he seems to be forgetting what's really important: preaching the gospel and showing God's love toward this dying world. Now, I'm not saying that these matters are not important, but we should not become so focused on them that we forget what is really important.

Does anybody else notice his and others "political preaching?"

You are pretty much right that Pat Robertson needs to quit preaching politics, he doesn't even do a good job of it to begin with. If we're going to win debates as Christians in the world of politics, we don't need a man going around calling everyone a satanist that he disagrees with. Ronald Reagan said it best, the best way to win is through a free forum where all ideaology is presented without ad-hominem attacks. The likes of Pat Robertson simply keep such from happening. Otherwise-half the things wrong happening in America might of disappeared.

World Changer · 12-07-2005, 03:39 PM

Now I do admit that I was taking this situation with Hugo Chavez a little too seriously, but that is the reason why I don't like Pat Robertson. He has really alieanated people from Christ with his politics. I mean, yes of coarse christians should be a part of politics and other aspects of our society, but he and some others like them are taking it too far. The things he says are unbelievable. I've noticed that no one commented on what he said about the city that voted against teaching Intelligent Design alongside evolution. I don't think I took that out of context.

by_grace_alone · 01-04-2006, 08:39 PM

I remember that after September 11, Pat Roberston said something along the lines of "we deserved it because Americans are so sinful". Please understand that I am paraphrasing, but this is the idea he was vocalizing. I believe that Pat Robertson is probably well-intentioned, but that his shows are too much of a mix of politics and religion.

I think it is important to understand that there is NO defined political ideology (i.e. Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Libertarian) that is a direct offshoot of the gospel of Jesus Christ. I think that to link one's politics with one's religion is often psychologically pleasing, but theologically is not sound. I don't know why we as humans tend to make this connection. Perhaps we feel that our political beliefs validate our religion, or vice versa. But, religion and politcs cannot be smeared together, for to do so would be to degrade the sanctity of our faith.

Remember that Christ ministered under political bondage. The Jewish people were dominated by Romans, and Jesus didn't challenge that, saying "give to Caesar what is Caesar's." Many Jews were reluctant to believe Jesus was the Messiah because they believed that the prophesized Messiah would free them from their politcal bondage. Jesus countered this view, not offering political freedom, but instead offering freedom from sin. We should be so thankful for this, because Jesus proved that even the enslaved and politically persecuted people of this world are guaranteed spiritual freedom. Christ was turned away because he did not offer what the people thought the Messiah would bring. He was bringing them much more, but they couldn't acknowledge that. This is clearly a warning that we can't confuse politics with religion.

I understand that this opens the door to all kinds of debate about church and state. I hold that our faith is purest when it is unsullied by our politics. That is only my opinion. I also understand the view that faith must infiltrate all aspects of life, and if the spirit motivates you to believe in some political cause, then you should embrace it. Perhaps this is where Pat Robertson is coming from: I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Still, I urge you all to consider that we should not confuse worldly things with Godly things. Politics is practically the religion of the world, and I think it wise to consider carefully before linking your political and religious views.

God Bless!

12-02-2005, 10:14 PM	#1
World Changer World Changer Edit Prophet/Prophetess	Political Preaching I read a column in The Miami Herald about two weeks ago I think and it was about Pat Robertson saying that because that city in Pennsylvania, Dover, voted against teaching Intelligent Design that they shouldn't call on God if a disaster comes to the city because of this decision. Also, I remember a few months ago when Hugo Chavez(the president of Venezuela) said he thought the United States was trying to assassinate him and after they reported it on The 700 Club, Robertson said if he thinks we're going to assassinate him maybe we should. Can you believe that?! The next day it was all over the news and he lied and said he didn't say that we should assassinate him. He did say it; he didn't exactly say we should assassinate him. But he did say we should. Pat Robertson seems like a religious zealot to me. He preaches politics. He is so transfixed on George Bush and all these matters of abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research that he seems to be forgetting what's really important: preaching the gospel and showing God's love toward this dying world. Now, I'm not saying that these matters are not important, but we should not become so focused on them that we forget what is really important. Does anybody else notice his and others "political preaching?"
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12-03-2005, 10:30 AM	#3
World Changer World Changer Edit Prophet/Prophetess	What do you mean? Can you elaborate some more?
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12-03-2005, 12:31 PM	#4
christsgirly christsgirly knows God as Savior! Edit Prophet/Prophetess	I admit that I've never heard this before now and perhaps you are right that he needs to stick to the most important thing,but,all the same, I think the media(especially American media)is like waiting for things like this to happen so they can post it everywhere. I don't think we can judge this guy for something taken out of context. __________________ We often make life altering decisions because we live for the moment and not for the days ahead.-Brooke Broussard
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12-05-2005, 04:32 PM	#6
World Changer World Changer Edit Prophet/Prophetess	Okay, I guess I was taking it a little too seriously, I guess it's cause I really don't like this guy.
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12-07-2005, 03:39 PM	#9
World Changer World Changer Edit Prophet/Prophetess	Now I do admit that I was taking this situation with Hugo Chavez a little too seriously, but that is the reason why I don't like Pat Robertson. He has really alieanated people from Christ with his politics. I mean, yes of coarse christians should be a part of politics and other aspects of our society, but he and some others like them are taking it too far. The things he says are unbelievable. I've noticed that no one commented on what he said about the city that voted against teaching Intelligent Design alongside evolution. I don't think I took that out of context.
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01-04-2006, 08:39 PM	#10
by_grace_alone by_grace_alone Edit Disciple	Politics and Religion I remember that after September 11, Pat Roberston said something along the lines of "we deserved it because Americans are so sinful". Please understand that I am paraphrasing, but this is the idea he was vocalizing. I believe that Pat Robertson is probably well-intentioned, but that his shows are too much of a mix of politics and religion. I think it is important to understand that there is NO defined political ideology (i.e. Republican, Democrat, Socialist, Libertarian) that is a direct offshoot of the gospel of Jesus Christ. I think that to link one's politics with one's religion is often psychologically pleasing, but theologically is not sound. I don't know why we as humans tend to make this connection. Perhaps we feel that our political beliefs validate our religion, or vice versa. But, religion and politcs cannot be smeared together, for to do so would be to degrade the sanctity of our faith. Remember that Christ ministered under political bondage. The Jewish people were dominated by Romans, and Jesus didn't challenge that, saying "give to Caesar what is Caesar's." Many Jews were reluctant to believe Jesus was the Messiah because they believed that the prophesized Messiah would free them from their politcal bondage. Jesus countered this view, not offering political freedom, but instead offering freedom from sin. We should be so thankful for this, because Jesus proved that even the enslaved and politically persecuted people of this world are guaranteed spiritual freedom. Christ was turned away because he did not offer what the people thought the Messiah would bring. He was bringing them much more, but they couldn't acknowledge that. This is clearly a warning that we can't confuse politics with religion. I understand that this opens the door to all kinds of debate about church and state. I hold that our faith is purest when it is unsullied by our politics. That is only my opinion. I also understand the view that faith must infiltrate all aspects of life, and if the spirit motivates you to believe in some political cause, then you should embrace it. Perhaps this is where Pat Robertson is coming from: I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Still, I urge you all to consider that we should not confuse worldly things with Godly things. Politics is practically the religion of the world, and I think it wise to consider carefully before linking your political and religious views. God Bless!
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